Post - Armatus

Deavmi 4 years ago

I agree

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Stolensoul 4 years ago

Also, I'll add that "white lives matter" is a supremacist group created to oppose BLM, so even though I understand what the picture is trying to say, it's really not a good way to do it.

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Stolensoul 4 years ago

In any case, I believe that a debate should remain calm if possible. Opposing beliefs and opinions in a direct and agressive way only reinforces both side's, so please calm down. I'm not trying to look superior or anything dumb like that, but right now the debates seems like a fight rather than sharing points of view.

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Stolensoul 4 years ago

I think the main reason it's not with a "too" or "also" is the same reason you rarely see "please" or "probably" in slogans. A slogan is made to "shock", and as soon as you add nuance to it, it loses strength.
I agree that the name is sort of confusing at first, but it works in the way it makes people stop and think about it.
And it's not the only thing like that. Feminism isn't about making women superior to men, or considering that only them have problems.

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Griffith 4 years ago

This is nuts, and you are nuts. If you dont see the racism/nationalism in Russia/USSR, that is you problem. As russian i feel bad for people like you, who show how stupid and xenophobic russians can be.

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Sigg3 4 years ago

@Armatus Please note that the Russian media is showing an unrepresentative amount of looting, whereas BLM is a peaceful protest organization. Why do you think this is? Why do you think you feel the way you do about "All lives matter"? Who stands to gain from it?

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Sigg3 4 years ago

@Armatus Because it's an established slogan. Personally, I would prefer a more universal slogan focusing on fighting systemic racism that was more inclusive: "Stop systemic racism!". But you and I are outsiders. The majority of Americans support #BLM.

"All lives matter" on the other hand is used to purposefully trod on questions of inequality, and has been used by Trump supporters to misdirect the public debate cf. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Lives_Matter

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Armatus 4 years ago

@Sigg3
> And on racial inequality in USSR:

don't mix after war USSR with modern Russia (or even with USSR in 60-80)
it's like saying that modern Germany has a nazi problem because of Holocaust.

So why we never see "Black Lives also Matter" or "black lives matter too" in that exact wording?
How do you explain this?

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Lnxw37 4 years ago

The thing about "All Lives Matter" and "White Lives Matter" is that almost the only people declaring these things are people who use them to deny that "Black Lives [also] Matter". Otherwise, I would gladly wear all of the above shirts.

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Sigg3 4 years ago

Here's a well-sourced reply to the bullshit "egalitarianism" spouted by the USSR and her servants: https://medium.com/@bearkunin/soviet-union-facts-and-fictions-part-1-the-economy-2a79ff1013a7

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Sigg3 4 years ago

And on racial inequality in USSR:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2696978

It took me 10 minutes to find scientific research on the subject. Stop being lazy and educate yourself about the history you're not taught.

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Sigg3 4 years ago

You're such a pawn.

https://ijnet.org/en/story/russian-sponsored-disinformation-and-black-lives-matter-movement

https://slate.com/technology/2018/05/russian-trolls-are-obsessed-with-black-lives-matter.html

https://www.hamiltonproject.org/papers/the_historical_role_of_race_and_policy_for_regional_inequality

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1745691619863049

https://www.epi.org/publication/racial-inequalities-in-wages-income-and-wealth-show-that-mlks-work-remains-unfinished/

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Armatus 4 years ago

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Armatus 4 years ago

@Felixp7
You're funny... there are 25-30% russian's with myopia, we have many fatties too.
Students have no money to be fat.

i have glasses when i serve in our army, i have no way to be a sniper in our spetsnaz, but every other way was open for me.

Yes in USSR public opinion being fat (grotesque) is either you have a hormonal disease or lack of will.
But look at picture - now it's normal and not discriminated in any way.

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Armatus 4 years ago

@Felixp7
it's students in a man dormitory. (so no girls and similar age)
on a photo

historically there are very few blacks in Russia (we have many nations, but mainly caucasian and asian)

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Armatus 4 years ago

@Felixp7
why so many violence? what's wrong with "all peoples equal" and "equal rights" in USA?
How killing peoples and raiding shops helps anyone?

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Armatus 4 years ago

present times, Peoples' Friendship University of Russia

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Armatus 4 years ago

There is no way for a country guy\gal to be equal in possibilities with, for example, son of millionaire.
but only in capitalist countries

Ernst Busch — Der Heimliche Aufmarsch
...
Arbeiter, horch, sie ziehen ins Feld,
und schreien: "Für Nation und Rasse!"
Das ist der Krieg der Herrscher der Welt
gegen die Arbeiterklasse!
Der Aufmarsch gegen die Sowjetunion
ist der Stoß ins Herz der Revolution!
Der Krieg, der jetzt vor der Türe steht,
das ist der Krieg gegen dich, Prolet!
...

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Armatus 4 years ago

I think you misunderstand something.
look...
all posters says "Black lives matter", not "Black lives matter too". It's so hard to add 3 letters? No. It means what it's says.
Trying to alter it by "what's it really says" - it's illogical and childish.

Maybe white lives matter more for not native americans and for other imperialist countries, but in our country there is only whites who ever been enslaved (1649-1861).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom_in_Russia

from 1918 - look as this:

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Sigg3 4 years ago

Of course.

"Black lives matter" is not exclusive, but inclusive. It's really "Black lives matter too".

"White lives matter" is superfluous and reflects a narrow view without history. If any lives have mattered the last 2000 years, it is white lives.

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